Ep 172 – Who is #anyopposed?

Written by on April 10, 2015

What happens when you stand up and vocally oppose at LDS General conference? Why would anyone even want to consider such a thing?
Matt sits down with Scott, Micah, and Don — the organizers of the Any Opposed campaign — to talk about their recent vocal opposition at LDS General Conference.


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  1. BJ   On   April 10, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    Thank you Any Opposed! I do worry that your effort will be seen as agenda attention seekers and easily dismissed and forgotten like the pro-ERA protest votes. I believe we could achieve a more sustained, culture changing and grassroots movement if you/me/all of us start opposing First Presidency and Quorum sustainings at stake conferences. Let the membership see that it is OK to oppose, nothing bad happens and we don’t have to accept everything the Church imposes on us. Hopefully the practice of opposing will become more widespread and force the Brethren to pay attention to the needs and views of the members.

  2. Heather_ME   On   April 10, 2015 at 4:32 pm

    No need to protect my identity. I’ll come clean… I’m Deep Throat. I stood on the top of my apartment complex with binoculars and a walkie-talkie telling Scott which way to run to avoid the goons outside that great and spacious building. It was like a combination of real life Google Maps Pac Man and the work escape scene on The Matrix.

  3. Jim Van Heel   On   April 10, 2015 at 5:10 pm

    Having sung in conference, I can tell you we as a BYU choir were not involved in any dress rehearsal. I believe the conductor is present just to go over cues.

  4. Gary Asp   On   April 10, 2015 at 6:33 pm

    First let me say, you guys fucking rock!!!!! You bring reality, sanity and honesty to the Mormon fallacy! I was a convert to the church (early 20’s) and I can confidently say that the only good thing to come out of my membership was meeting my wife Sarah. We’re both Formons (former mormons) now no longer drunk on the Salt Lake koolaid.
    This episode what can I say more than you nailed it! Once again shedding light and understanding. I would gladly stand up with these guys and shout my opposition. OPPOSED!!!

  5. Craig Keeling   On   April 10, 2015 at 6:34 pm

    Laughing like an idiot right now at the BYU coach masturbating as the “sin” he referred to. What a stupid thing for him to say.
    I’m sure BKP was pleased. After all, it wouldn’t be well for a general authority to do it, right?

    • Craig Keeling   On   April 12, 2015 at 6:49 pm

      I want to make a .gif of that imagined scenario but at the same time absolutely do not want to make a .gif of that.
      We should have used this opportunity to coin a new “Watergate” style term: #markturbating
      Markturbate (v): To attempt to sound like a hard ass by threatening physical violence, but then in an attempt to back away from that, coming across as masturbating in public when someone disagrees with you.

  6. Brian Kissell   On   April 10, 2015 at 8:59 pm

    Matt, you did a good job with the interview. I am glad you guys recorded this episode. I have always really liked Micah, and it was fun to hear the explanation for why he, and Scott and Don, felt like this was the right thing to do. Thanks for all the great content you guys at IOT provide. I always look forward to hearing your thoughts on these types of events.

  7. Pink-lead   On   April 10, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    Firstly, I just want to echo Don’s statement about what makes Mormonism great. The humble and willing sacrifices of millions who wish to do good. We had ward conference a few weeks ago and (in consideration of my wife’s feelings and because I’m a chicken) my plan was to not sustain or oppose but to make direct eye contact with the speaker. Fortunately I was conducting a ward audit at the same time so non-issue.
    I believe Mormonism is much bigger than the current institution. Additionally If I believe I’ve experienced some sort of ‘divinity’ in my life, and I believe in an ultimately just God. Therefore I must believe that everyone has access to similar moments. Consequently God’s work among mankind (if he exists) must be much greater than I can comprehend (and what the Church touches).
    Now if I could add my own thoughts as to why I oppose. Primarily it comes down to a breach of trust with the brethren. That by covering the sins of the institution, their priesthood can/should be called into question. That they knowingly (but with good intention) perpetuate mis-information. The essays are the best citation related to this (specifically race and the priesthood).
    Additional reasons branch out in a web, but one of the next strands in this chain is the idea that the prophet can’t lead anyone astray. I don’t see how this can be supported given the essay. How is that not leading anyone astray? I have a hard time accepting that mistakes can be admitted (on slightly inaccessible web pages), but the teaching from the pulpit is continually ‘he won’t lead us astray.’ Welcome Janus. Apparently all is well in Zion.
    Another two-faced example. For Elder Holland to deliver such an impassioned speech about the travails of the poor, but in another conference or in the Ensign the church tells the poor that supporting jobs in Utah is more important than their rent or food. Poor countries don’t contribute do you say? Fine. Open the books and prove it.
    What unequivocal and objective truth or revelation has come from these brethren? Given the heavy questions of our time (women, LGBT) can’t we get more than scattered biblical references? Isn’t there something God could say to help?
    Please tell me the scriptural injunction that places following the brethren above all else. D&C 1 you say? It says my word doesn’t change. It doesn’t say whatever these servants say is my word.
    Accepting knowledge from a feeling has led church leadership to continually overstep their bounds. And the chickens are coming home to roost.

    • Don   On   April 11, 2015 at 2:43 am

      So nice to have a brother feel so exactly about the Race and the Priesthood Essay as I do. Want to come with me to my Uchtdorf-directed meeting with my Stake President?

      • Pink-lead   On   April 12, 2015 at 2:56 am

        Uchtdorf directed? Like a conference call? Or is your SP in direct communication? He’s clearly more open minded than some of the others. Unfortunately he’s one voice among the quorum of violets that don’t shrink, as Elder Ballard reminded us a year ago. You’ll have to let us know how that goes for you. I’m not sure if it’s my time (or place) to participate. Good luck.

      • Don   On   April 12, 2015 at 4:29 am

        I do not know if Salt Lake has been in contact with my Stake President. From my email communications with him I do not get that impression. I have an appoitment scheduled with him in two weeks.

  8. Zelph The Lamanite   On   April 11, 2015 at 4:17 am

    It was fun watching conference waiting for it to go down. As soon as it happened some friends and I in a small forum had a great time watching for it and talking about it. While there’s a lot of bad comments about it from believers, my favorite was a quote from a friend who said “And it came to pass that the dissenting voters had balls. Yeah great and marvelous ones. As they were in the midst of the true believers, they roared with the voice of a lion, NO, even with all of their heart, mind, might, and strength, for all in attendance to hear.”
    I’m enjoying listening to this now. It’s fun hearing all the details. I did something just wanting to join in saying a lot of people appose. If you think it’s dumb I’ll take it down. It got about 400 signers in the first day. It’s slowed down, but I didn’t know who you all were and felt you deserved support. You guys have giant balls. Wtg.
    http://www.thepetitionsite.com/159/489/622/there-are-many-apposed/

  9. Zelph The Lamanite   On   April 11, 2015 at 4:48 am

    Why do nonbelievers have the right to appose? We were Mormon, and we’re being affected by it. You nailed it. I agree. I don’t believe, but they are crossing boundaries with regards to my family and people I care about and continue to affect me. This is my Mormon experience, and it has been awful. If they want me to quietly go away, they need to back the f#$% out of my boundaries. They drew the line, and I can’t seem to get outside of it, and the harder I do, the more it has harmed me.

  10. Uncle Ralph   On   April 11, 2015 at 4:50 am

    Wow! Intrigue and subterfuge an’ everthang! Though I’m just a BAM (barely a Mormon—15 on the BMCS), I can’t look away from this stuff. I exist to be entertained and these stories are positively addicting. Even if you don’t believe a word of Mormonism (and never did), Mormonism is one of the most engrossing stories ever told. Keep them coming.

  11. Catherine   On   April 11, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    I was watching that session of conference at home with bishopric member husband. We heard all three votes clearly over the internet via Roku Mormon Channel app. I just went to the lds website and watched the sustaining vote video. I’m not sure if it was my crappy headphones, but except for the first vote, the opposing vote is almost inaudible. If I didn’t know it was there, I may not have noticed it at all. I also noticed that there is no reference made in the transcript about vote results.
    We were having a bunch of glitchy stuff going on during all three sessions we watched online, but it was especially touch and go during the Saturday PM session. The sustaining of the 70’s and the statistical report (my favorite part) we missed entirely. I wondered at the time if people had heard about the vote and were tuning in and crashing the servers.
    can’t wait for the day when an opposing vote is nbd.

  12. Frank   On   April 12, 2015 at 2:28 am

    regarding your statement about being worried that you would “ruin” someone’s trip to conference, think about how you would have felt in their shoes as a TBM. You would have been excited to relate your story of defending the faith against those sinners that everyone heard on TV. It would probably be the most faith-promoting experience a modern TBM could have.

  13. Aaron   On   April 12, 2015 at 3:40 am

    Big IoT fan, for the record (came here because I enjoyed Glenn’s work on ME). Regarding this episode (noting I already posted on the anyopposed website so many of my points will be duplicated):
    1) Very entertaining. Thank you Matt for going so in depth on the “how to” of the whole situation, fascinating stuff.
    2) The whole “we’re only opposing because it’s provided for us” argument is way disingenuous. What you’re saying is that you’re playing within the rules the church set. Which isn’t true. The rules are “by show of hand.” So please everyone, stop acting like you’re playing by the rules.
    3) I get the argument that you won’t otherwise be heard. But that’s what podcasts and blogs and talking to friends in appropriate venues is for. Not private events where you’re respectfully not asked to do such things. You all think you’re not being heard, but that’s a matter of scope. You are being heard plenty, you’re all names in the online Mormon world. But apparently until EVERYONE hears you won’t be happy?
    4) So disrespectful and rude to intrude on others’ private wishes like that. You are ruining the experience of going to conference for your selfish reasons. And now that you’ve given everyone the idea (and publicly stated how many people are in line to replicate this in October), we all know things will continually be taken further. The word “oppose” and sit is relatively harmless (although still over the line), but it will go further in the future. There’s a scale for these things from yelling in a movie theater to yelling/protesting at someone’s funeral. Yelling in a theater is only occasionally humorous, usually distracting/annoying. I’d call it inappropriate for the vast majority of ticket-purchasers. It only gets worse from there. Your acts are promoting societal actions like this.
    5) Listening to your reasons and what you’re hoping to get out of it, I’m gathering that this is protesting for protesting’ sake. Like having an argument with your spouse and whatever your answer is to her question she’s going to argue against it. I will list examples if anyone cares, but this post is already long. The point is… I still don’t see the point other than the protesters here just wanting to cause trouble.
    Question: in a future conference when someone yells during talks or prayers, will the founders of Any Opposed be proud? Or will they have felt those people have gone too far? If it’s the latter, do you not see some issue in what you’re doing here?
    I see it more as a societal issue than church issue. I don’t care for this public disrespect in all of it’s forms.

    • Randy_Snyder   On   April 12, 2015 at 1:49 pm

      So you’re saying what they should have done was be 7/20,000 who silently raise their hands to a guy who isn’t even looking up? Jesus, if they aren’t even pretending to acknowledge a bullshit vote, the only way to force this farce vote is to simply shout “opposed”. That’s what they did then they promptly sat down and acted as anyone attending conference is expected. Then you slippery slope this to a scene where people are shouting willy nilly in a movie theater or where a bunch of yahoos will now flood the conference center making a disruptive scene at any possible moment, ignoring the chore it is to even get in and the consequences of such behavior in the conference center at the hands of security.
      History has shown these “inspired brethren” only respond to outside social pressure and this opposed thing has become even more of that by becoming a news story.

      • Aaron   On   April 13, 2015 at 2:13 am

        Yes, that’s what I’m saying (responding to your first sentence). And if the opposers can’t live with that let’s at least drop the pretense that they’re playing within the rules set by the church’s vote.
        There are plenty of other venues to protest that are being heard by the church. Maybe change isn’t happening at the pace they want, but I’d argue any amount of change – no matter how large or small – will be met by a cry for even more change. I think we can agree that there’s no way to respond to a group that has no collective voice, runs the gamut of opinions they claim to have, etc. It’s an impossible situation, and disrupting conference is just an a-hole way to go about it.
        My opinion. And I thought Randy was off the show.

  14. Charles   On   April 13, 2015 at 6:36 pm

    Just tried to watch some conference clips on lds.org and the sustaining vote video is the only one that is “currently unavailable”. Anyone else able to watch it?

  15. Mike   On   April 14, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    This was so awesome guys!
    That’s so cool that you were the guy in the youtube video Scott!!! I posted it on RFM once I saw it. It’s had a lot of good reviews and people thanking you for posting it.
    I loved hearing the “behind the scenes” of what this took to pull off. So thanks all 3 of you for coming on and sharing it. I really enjoyed the story about how you got setup for the picture. Glad you kept it in.
    I hadn’t seen any video of this until I saw Scott’s youtube one. (Yeah I didn’t watch conference lol) And I have to admit, I was nervous watching the thing. So brave to do what you did and even more brave to come out with who you really are. Well done gents!

  16. Mike E   On   April 14, 2015 at 2:37 pm

    The question was raised as to why the dissenting votes of disaffected members should be counted or recognized. My thought is that if the church wants to include the disaffected and inactive in the claims of 15 million members, then they also have to acknowledge and respect the voice of that group. Don’t tell me I count…but don’t count.

  17. B   On   April 14, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Finally made it through the whole episode. Thank you for opposing. Thank you for your bravery. I was with you in spirit! <3

  18. M'lisa D Mart├şnez Glynd┼Ár   On   April 16, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    I’m glad you guys know me well enough, considering the short amount of time we had to get to know each other, to know I’d find your butchering of half of my surname funny. lol
    FTR, you can pronounce it like Glen-door (I’ll forgive your American accents). ­čÖé
    Great job guys!

  19. stp24601   On   May 27, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    Two thoughts:
    1. Matt, you make an outstanding host. Seriously.
    2. Scott, Micah, and company: you are seriously undermining the cause by bowing out. This movement needs leadership!

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