Ep 85 – Two Years and Kicking

Written by on June 26, 2014

On June 20th, 2012, six infantile men came together to create a legacy that will last a lunchtime….
Now, two years later, we look back and say, “What the hell were we thinking?”
Happy Birthday to us.

  1. Ashley Kate Richardson   On   June 26, 2014 at 10:00 am

    I couldn’t say I had given a review because I havent! I tried but I just don’t know how 🙁 made me sad. I’m not computer savvy… Xx

  2. James J Hill   On   June 26, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    Glad you guys are still around adding to the conversation while expressing yourselves in a Mormon fashion. Thanks for the lighthearted banter and stories of a mormon nature.
    Now that you have spent two years in the podcasting mission field, this is a great homecoming talk.

    • Glenn   On   June 26, 2014 at 3:46 pm

      Oh yeah, we should have addressed that, huh. It has already been discussed in a recording Matt and Scott did, but I don’t think we have released that yet. It was basically pre- and post- coming out to family.

  3. Brendan   On   June 26, 2014 at 9:37 pm

    As a recent dissenter I’ve only just started listening to this podcast and mormon expression. Now I’m really curious what the whole back story is regarding your breakup!

    • Glenn   On   June 26, 2014 at 10:44 pm

      Like any break up, there’s a million different reasons and a million different stories, reasons, perspectives, and explanations; and like I said, it had been building for a long time.
      Basically, John wanted to run Mormon Expression like a business, and he is doing that with White Fields and his studio and his other projects and it’s going great for him. I was more interested in goofing off, like we do here, as a group of friends, with a certain creativity and editing style that I don’t think he particularly cares for.
      I was also constantly pitching ideas for episodes that he didn’t like for one reason or another. The last straw for him was when I recorded a reading with Christa the Psychic (and Tom and my sister Melissa – which we eventually published here). He told me not to do it. I did it any way and then sent it to members of the group to listen to. He felt like I was trying to backdoor an episode — given our history, I can totally understand why — and he sent me a long list of how I had defied and disappointed him and to never do it again. I told him to chill out, like I would to a friend. He saw that as insubordination from a volunteer-employee to his boss, so he “fired” me, and it was over.
      He invited me on to a ME panel discussion this past November with Mike T and Randy — I had to bail at the last minute, which was all on me, not John, but he made the offer. So, you know, it’s not really a big deal anymore. He may be a little pissed that I am talking about it now, cuz he always wanted to keep the dirty laundry within the family, but it was so long ago and actually has some relevance to why we approach Infants on Thrones the way we do, so we brought it up here.
      But make no mistake — both John and all those involved with Mormon Expression over the years have been a huge influence on all of us. It was a great experience for me. I absolutely loved it. I still listen to it from time to time — I have always admired John’s eloquence and I still do. He has a great mind and a great way of expressing it. My creative gusto and penchant for arguing the other side of any debate just gave him constant headaches, and finally enough was enough. It was fun while it lasted. But it’s even more fun now. And I’m sure he feels the same.

      • ricecocosnut   On   June 26, 2014 at 11:04 pm

        I’d just like to add that I’m glad it happened, minus the negative experiences both parties may have had, it was kind of inevitable. Mormon expression began to go in a direction and structure that would have and I suppose did restrict Glenn and others.
        Now we get two quite different styles and content and that’s a good thing.

      • Brendan   On   June 27, 2014 at 8:31 pm

        Thanks for the great reply! I do enjoy both podcasts for different reasons. Mormon Expression feels kind of like Sunday school (for both the good and bad) and Infants on Thrones feels more like the goofing off before Elder’s Quorum starts. It also sort of reminds me of the late night discussions you have on your mission when it is past 10:30PM and you are all in bed.

      • Christopher Allman   On   June 28, 2014 at 5:38 pm

        Wow, finally the story is out! I was so curious. There have been whispers about it on your podcast and John’s podcast, but I’m happy to hear it all laid out.
        I agree with the above comment about being glad it happened, I think I would rather have John do totally his thing and and Infants do totally their thing than have Mormon Expression be a little bit more infant-y.

      • Chad   On   June 28, 2014 at 6:21 pm

        ME was at it’s pinnacle when you and Tom and George, and even Nyal were regular panelists. Those were some good pods. Now, ME is mostly just a monologue….A good monologue, but still missing much of the glory from the good ol days.
        Carry on.

      • The Professor   On   June 29, 2014 at 10:05 pm

        Pretty please make your Christa recordings an episode? I take a special interest seeing as I’ve had correspondence with her myself (not readings though, just discussions on Mormonism).

      • Glenn   On   June 30, 2014 at 4:03 am

        Tell you what…. you record and send us a listener outro we can use, and I’ll cobble together the rest of my Christa recordings into a giant episode that the haters can easily skip and the lovers can slightly less easily OD on. Deal?
        Follow the directions under our contact tab:

      • The Professor   On   July 2, 2014 at 1:50 am

        Sure, I’ll give it a shot by this weekend. (Now to think of something kinda witty to say…)

  4. Mellie   On   June 27, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    So I’m just listening to the episode, loving it as usual, and then, BAM! Allyson breaks in – holy shit, that was some level 5 awesome! I know LOL is tired, but since I was literally laughing out loud, that is all I can say. Love the podcast, thanks for all the work you all do to entertain me for free!

  5. Logan   On   June 27, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Alright- I’ve never commented on anything before because I figured it just didn’t matter that much. That said, I have listened to virtually every episode of ME, MS, M-Expositor, as well as you guys (I guess you could call me a Mormon Podcast junkie with a long commute- it makes me sound really lame, I know). I also scored a whopping 95 on Bob’s little scale thing but am now totally out of the church.
    Anyway- now that I’ve established my podcast and Mormon cred, I’ve got to give it to you guys. You win, HANDS DOWN. I believe that your approach is the future of podcasting- or I guess you could say that I have faith and hope that it will be. I love the laid-back conversational tone, the snazzy editing, and the diversity of topics that you bring to the table. The level of snark, the personal stories…everything. You guys have NAILED IT.
    Keep up the good work.

    • Glenn   On   June 27, 2014 at 3:06 pm

      Thanks Logan. It is all very subjective, but it’s nice to know that we tickle you where you like it.
      Congrats on the 95. Or condolences. Take your pick. 🙂

  6. Duke of Earl Grey   On   June 27, 2014 at 2:20 pm

    I really liked the idea of making a “Brother Jack” video one of these days. But I think the best phraseology to use in introducing him would be, “Hi, I’m Brother Jake’s brother, Brother Jack!” Maximize use of the word brother in a minimal space, and all.

  7. The Professor   On   June 29, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Just wanted to pop in and represent for your 4% of nevermo listeners (I think I scored a negative on Bob’s Cred Scale). I’m a longtime listener. I’m surprised that you’re surprised to be honest :/
    Anyway if you want a reason, I listened to you guys (and other LDS themed podcasts) because I was investigating the LDS church and I figured I should also listen to the arguments of the people who’d left the church so that I could make a more informed decision. (Spoiler alert, I didn’t join.)
    Also, I listen because I kind of take a perverse fascination in the strangeness of Mormonism in general, something akin to rubbernecking at a highway accident. It’s just so hard to look away…

    • Randy_Snyder   On   June 30, 2014 at 12:14 am

      Thanks The Professor for the insight of a neverMo. You have to understand that my experience with most neverMo’s to my Mormon experience is glazed eyes. That’s largely I think why we’re surprised bc others in the quorum have has a similar experience. But the thought of contributing to an investigator making (I think) the right decision is satisfying. 🙂

  8. Darth Bill   On   June 30, 2014 at 2:13 pm

    I’ve enjoyed you guys since way back. This is really the kind of discussion I want to have about parts of my former life. I would give you guys 5 stars but I use Feedly.com and not iTunes.

  9. Mike   On   July 15, 2014 at 1:07 am

    Glen I’m glad you got fired from the other podcast. This one kicks ass. You guys mentioned a future podcast on “the late war.” I’ve been waiting. The subject strikes a chord, it was the final nail in the coffin for me. The BoM is rolling over in its grave waiting for you guys to get it done. Until then keep kicking ass. Oh ya, kudos to Brother Jake for also kicking ass.

  10. Mike   On   November 12, 2014 at 2:55 pm

    Just finished this episode. I thought it was fun listening to how you guys started out. I just listened to the intro and first episode last week. So hearing parts from that was kind of cool. Its like the “making of IOT” extra on the dvd.
    Couple of thoughts, Jake I think is the one who said he was so tired of all the same thing that gets repeated on exmo forums and all that. And I understand where he is coming from. But looking at it from the view of someone like myself it’s totally different.
    I didn’t even have a doubt in the church till last November. So after finding out about the lies in the church I went to the forums and they were a life line. Since I am married to a TBM, forums were the only thing that helped keep me sane. So I am grateful there were still people talking about “the same old thing.”
    I get that people move on, right now I am not in that spot. married to a TBM, TBM family, I can’t get away from Mormonism. So I need ways to keep me from going crazy. In fact I just recently started a blog. I am not much of a blogger, but it has helped me out so much just over the last two weeks of doing it. A way for me to express what I felt as I lost my faith and my thoughts on things in the church.
    Last thing, that little bit by Allison was brilliant! Way to go Allison. Loved it! Loved the way you said what you said, and ending it with “Come at me bro!” I’m still laughing!
    Thanks again IOT for another great episode…. now to go see what other ones I still need to download.

  11. Orrin Dayne   On   May 3, 2016 at 6:57 pm

    I’ve made through the first two years … again! It has been fun this second time around. I catch more subreferences that I probably missed the first time. I already know all the voices, so that helps too. So often, I will laugh out loud when I’m listening. The podcast is a treasure.

  12. Natalie Glaus   On   July 18, 2016 at 4:36 pm

    Love you guys, Brother Jake a little more than the others 😉 I love the conversationsal tone because I don’t have a lot of friends that have left the church to talk to. I appreciate the humor, honesty, and differing opinions. So glad I found you! I listen to Infants for the conversation and Mormon Stories for the “facts”.

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