Ep 251 – The Vanilla Isis Yeehawd and Militant Mormonism

Written by on January 8, 2016

What the heck is going on with this Captian Moroni rancher guy up in Oregon who is defying the US Government? Isn’t there an article of faith somewhere about honoring governments, or something like that? Either way, listen in as Matt talks with Special Infant Guest Drew about the whole crazy story and its cultural ties to Mormonism.

  1. Saint Ralph   On   January 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm

    Vanilla ISIS? Ya’all-Queda? Yeehawd? Yokel Haram? Did you guys make that up? I love it! Yeehawd is the most apt term I’ve ever heard for what my neighbors and coworkers are committed to with their dozens of weapons and untold reserves of ammunition, granola bars and ramen noodles. Even then, the Bundyites forgot to bring the noodles.
    Do these folks—Bundy, et al—realize how little the Everybody-Loves-Raymond-watching American mainstream knows about Mormon scripture? And how much less than that they care? When Ammon Bundy pulls out the Book of Mormon to support his “occupation,” he goes right into the whacko nut job drawer in the minds of 99%+ of the American public. Another aspect that was not covered here is how Mormons like Bundy may get a bunch of back slaps and “you go, girls!” from the evangelical militia crowd up front, but under the surface, to evangelicals, Mormons are definitely Other, even to the point of being considered anit-Christian by many. Any apparent solidarity would decay into a Sunni-Shiite-style conflict given enough time.
    Drew did a wonderful job of presenting the Bundyite point of view, though. There was a lot about the whole Feds vs. the ranch community animosity that I was not aware of. One very salient point he mentioned is that, push coming to shove, the militia folks are bringing a gun to a drone fight. When I ask my local yeehawdists how many A-10 tank killers they have in their air force and mention that the government has about 240 in theirs, I get roundly pooh-poohed then ignored. “That’s not the point,” they say. OK.
    Did Matt get a new mic or a new connection or something? I didn’t realize how much of Matt’s trademark sound was the lousy audio feed. Maybe someone could build him telephone-effect filter with some limiting diodes to get his old sound back over a high quality connection.

    • Matt   On   January 8, 2016 at 4:14 pm

      Glad you noticed. I upgraded my computer, mic, and recording software, so I’ll have to work harder with the new gear to sound like Seth Rogan.

    • Gabriel von Himmel   On   January 27, 2016 at 7:03 am

      Now arrested for conspiracy, The Bundy-Mormons are now in limbo.
      I’ve noticed over these pasT few days that Ammon has developed a much bigger butt and even bigger gut.
      “This revolutionary thing is work’in fur me.”
      LaVoy Finicam is martyred with his togs all shiny-new and stuff. R.I.P.
      With 18 grandchildren I might guess that he was a foster parent for the state with his own grandchildren.
      Regarding the Bundy Manifesto:
      First, most of these arguments are an obfuscation –– a canard. The real issue is Constitutional, it an argument about the intent of our Founding Fathers.
      Did the creators of the constitution get their inspiration from God, as the mormons say, “Our Heavenly Father,” or were our founders pantheists. If they were inspired by God’s it would then be a Divine Document.
      If they were pantheists they made it up as they went along, gathering all formative information to create “A More Perfect Union.”
      So is it a Nation directed by God, or, are we directed by thoughtful deliberation and heated argument?
      The Constitution can not be both.
      So the argument is either a secular or religious manifesto. God has had multiple opportunities to create “Obedience” and then again “Perfect Obedience” for the cause of the Natural Man ––– it remains a forlorn hope.
      Caveat, the founding fathers were part of “The Inlightenment” they were pantheist, agnostics or atheists. After the damage done in Europe and in the early colonies The Constutional framers wanted no truck with formal theology.
      As a believer in the persistence of doubt I wish this argument would winnow down to an obtuse whimper.
      Hey protestors, you know what they say, “pack’it in pack’it out.”

  2. jewelspice   On   January 8, 2016 at 7:48 pm

    Thank you for this episode as I believe I may have been the one to ask for it. I live in Oregon and was raised 135 miles south of Burns in Ranching country so my fb feed is filled with conservative Ranchers who support The Hammonds but not The Bundys. On Wednesday there was a town hall meeting in Burns asking The Bundys to move on while many of the audience supported the Ranchers. The Wildlife refuge is Gorgeous and flanked by 10k fault block uplift mountains.
    The Hammonds originally poached 7 deer on the BLM land and then handed out matches to their relatives, friends to burn the area to cover up the poaching. Another time they were burning off their own land and the fire got into govt owned areas. I read that the young relative who testified against the Hammonds was abused by his Uncle Steve. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ranchers-inspired-ore-takeover-accused-abusing-teen-article-1.2485648
    I am a never mo whose brother is a convert. My sister in law’s father was a 70 before he passed and she follows Fox News and Tea Party politics and I feel perhaps could be really influenced by someone like Ammon Bundy who quotes Mormon scripture as he does.

    • Anne   On   January 10, 2016 at 10:47 pm

      Thanks for your insight. My family regularly does controlled burns on a property in the rural midwest. The consequences for burns going off our land or getting out of control are quite severe (as they should be). It is sad that some people feel exclusively entitled to land designated for the use of all people and animals. It’s hard to imagine a supreme bring that wouldn’t want us to tread lightly on a planet that is so beautiful.

      • jewelspice   On   January 11, 2016 at 1:40 am

        You are most welcome. . I know there is a middle ground to everything but it is important to try save our earth .

  3. jewelspice   On   January 8, 2016 at 7:57 pm

    to continue I felt that Drew did a good job bringing the church to a bit of a Smackdown about its anti government rhetoric. I’m not sure that no laws have been broken as they are using the Refuge and both the refuge and the BLM are not open and the schools have been closed because of fear that violence would break out plus they used government owned equipment to block the roads.
    if you’d like a reasoned viewpoint from a Ranchers point of view Listen to John O’Keefe president of The Oregon Cattlemans Association who has been interviewed by Lou Dobbs on Fox, NPR and CBs Morning news.
    Thanks for all your great podcasts that have educated me on what part of my family believes….and thanks for this as you got to speak about something sort of not Mormon.lol

  4. Mark Norris   On   January 8, 2016 at 11:52 pm

    Isn’t “menacing” a crime? If so, I feel like that is something the Bundeys are definitely guilty of.

    • Gabriel von Himmel   On   January 9, 2016 at 8:46 pm

      Menacing Grifters Unite to crown Captain Moroni and restore restoration forever.
      This latest dust-up in my home state, Oregon, with Cliven Bundy and ilk has brought to the fore “superior mormon thinking.”
      Cliven Bundy and his 14 children have abused the natural resources of our country while breeding an army of The Chosen.
      When confronted by the abuse of overgrazing, excess animals on allotments of public lands, the Bundys’ claim the land belongs to them by Divine Right. Ah yes, THE DIVINE RIGHT RITE.
      Yes Grifting is baked into the Mormon Mind-Set –– Given their privileged access to the Afterlife, Mormons know the rights afforded the worthy here on earth are deserved.
      Fraud is as fraud does and Mormon Fraud is blessed by Our Heavely Father who got the word second hand from Our Prophet Joseph Smith, “The Mormon Music Man.”
      What the Hell are Bunker Nevada Mormons doing in Harney County Oregon?
      We Know, the still small voice is involved somehow, and we know it will all be sorted out in the end.
      Grifting is in the DNA of Mormondumb.
      Great podcast with a wonderfully geeky guest Drew.

      • Saint Ralph   On   January 9, 2016 at 10:14 pm

        There is a tremendous burden that goes with being the One True anything and knowing that you are Right to the exclusion of all else, a burden that I have shirked practically my whole life. I can’t help but feel for these gentlemen as they stagger under the nearly unbearable burden of their Righteousness, a burden that can be shared by so few.

      • Gabriel von Himmel   On   January 10, 2016 at 12:45 am

        St. Ralf we share the persitence of doubt, a tempering agent in our one time around. I believe doubt is a terrible thing to waste, a place where righteousness is not factored to some inexorable end.
        Grifting is another form of righteousness devorced from the gestalt of humanity.

  5. Swagavad Gita   On   January 9, 2016 at 6:25 pm

    I liked this podcast episode. Drew did a good job fleshing out the most recent Bundy standoff. If a nation or a group can take pride in its past triumphs, even if most members weren’t alive during that time, then it should own up to its collective sin as well. I think that the racist doctrines coupled with the millenarian and martial rhetoric of Mormon leaders have led Cliven Bundy and Sons standing against law and order.

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