Ep 434 – The REAL Antichrist

Written by on January 10, 2018

Glenn has figured out who the actual anti-christ is and what “anti-christ” actually means. And it’s not what you think! Unless, of course, it is. It’s really hard to tell being as obnoxiously cryptic as I am being. Just listen. You’ll like this one. I promise.

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  1. Swaggy   On   January 10, 2018 at 4:35 pm

    Although this title was put in jest, I think you’re more right than you are.
    Because unless I’m mistaken, Brand is advocating for the killing of the ego or the death of the self, while the Christ, at least insofar as Mormonism is concerned, is concerned about exaltation of the self.

    • Glenn   On   January 10, 2018 at 11:13 pm

      I think those are both the same thing, by New Age standards — where the ego is a false self, and killing the false self is the path to exaltation of the true self. Gotcha.

      • Swaggy   On   January 11, 2018 at 6:56 pm

        I think it was in jest because in most Christian traditions, the Antichrist was a political figure during the last days who would persecute the truth followers of Christ. In Mormonism, an Antichrist is anyone who is opposed to Jesus and his teachings. In the Book of Mormon, antichrists such as Nehor have gone around amassing followers from the true faith.
        If I am doing justice to Brand’s words and your commentary, I think he meant we have to do away with anything that can be a barrier to us becoming a Zion-like people. If Brand were a believing-Mormon, he probably would have been hauled before his stake leaders a long time ago for teaching things that threaten the authority and the importance of the Brethren.

      • Swaggy   On   January 11, 2018 at 7:06 pm

        But isn’t it in the Temple that we are taught to consecrate all we have to the Church. If we do this and we endure to the end, we become gods and goddesses and inherit everything that God (whoever that is) has. I think Brand is thinking of a horizontal relationship between human beings rather than a vertical power dynamic between God and junior gods. I have no idea what I’m talking about.

  2. Simon   On   January 24, 2018 at 4:33 pm

    I was cleaning up around the kitchen while listening to this podcast and when Brand started reading the 12 steps I got so agitated that I emptied the coffee grounfds into the diswasher instead of th bin… [sigh]
    It’s not just the accent [I’m Australian so I know a bit about dodgy accents], but discussions about the 12 step program or analogues of them as a cure for what’s wrong with the reader/listeners life are so infuriating!
    For a start, they don’t work. I understand the scientific consensus is that they assist around 8% of people with addictions who try them. Secondly, I resent the assumption that you and I are ‘addicts’ and need to be liberated from any desire we have for objects or sensations. Finally, I don’t see how desiring a life free from such normal human motivations is any improvement in the situation. As I see it, you’re just kicking the can down the road and walking after it again. You can call the can ‘pleasure’ or ‘possessions’ or ‘happiness’ or ‘freedom from the desire to have these things’ but it’s all the same… You want something you don’t have and think you will feel better when you get it.
    Brand’s thesis is the same as Sam Harris’ [in the book ‘Waking Up’] is the same as the Buddha’s
    Sorry Glenn, didn’t like it and would much prefer you to go back to satirically interacting with the various Mormon sub-cultures.

    • Glenn   On   January 25, 2018 at 6:58 am

      Sorry about the coffee grounds. It’s pretty interesting though – thinking of all the invisible domino-like butterfly affect steps between Brand writing a book, me talking about it, and your dishes smelling like very clean coffee grounds for a few days.
      I don’t know what to tell you, Simon. I have no dog in the 12 step program fight one way or the other, but it only took me 10 minutes to google that 8% effectiveness claim to see how valid (or not) it is. But the main point is that I’m gradually finding hope, inspiration, motivation, enjoyment, excitement (etc etc) in a lot of different places these days. This was one of them.
      The narrow parameters of satirical commentary on Mormon sub-cultures you much prefer me to stay within… that will still happen. When I feel like it. But I can’t fake it, brother, any more than you can magically wish me to be more like what you want and less like what you don’t want. Besides, there’s a 9% chance that uninspired paint-by-the-numbers lame attempts at satire might fall so flat they would make you brush your teeth with hand soap. And no one wants that.

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