Ep 61 – The Intentional Literalist – Noah's Ark

Written by on March 27, 2014

Mike Tannehill joins us once again for this unofficial follow-up to The Unintentional Racist to discuss the recent LDS.com essay on Noah’s Ark with Randy, Scott, Jake, Erica, and Glenn.
Here is the link to the Meridian article in defense of Noah’s Ark.
And here is the LDS.org essay Noah.

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  1. Alison Udall   On   March 27, 2014 at 11:41 pm

    I burst out laughing in this part!
    “Why are they doing this to themselves? I feel like Mormons are just jabbing pencils in their eye all the time…why do you have to put yourself against your own intellect all the time?”
    And to be honest I had never really heard/thought about the whole giants mating with women on the earth before. Wow.

  2. Cylon   On   March 28, 2014 at 3:17 am

    Haven’t finished the episode yet, but I have to say, Glenn, the long introduction where you talk about the Book of Enoch was absolutely fascinating. I had heard of a bunch of those elements before, but never brought all together like that, and it just gave a lot more context to the Noah story. Well done.
    Also, every time Mike Tannehill talks about something making sense, I think of Inigo Montoya. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

    • Glenn   On   March 28, 2014 at 4:11 pm

      Thanks Cylon. It took a few rough draft attempts to get all the pieces to line up the way they are now. The other guys had a lot of behind the scenes input into the way it eventually came out. I’m glad you liked it.

  3. Flackerman   On   March 28, 2014 at 6:15 pm

    Nice episode. During the superman theme, I could not help but sing along “duh,
    duh duh duh duh, Tannehill!”
    To me, one of the most compelling evidences against a global flood are the polar ice caps. If there had been a turbulent world wide flood lasting almost a full year, they would have floated on the water, moved by the flood currents, and broken up and been destroyed. Yet, we have ice cores that date back tens of thousands of years.
    Also, if Enoch and all the righteous on the earth were gathered into one city, and they God removed that city from the earth, isn’t it God’s fault that there were only wicked people remaining? He removed all of the good ones, rather than allowing them to influence the wicked.

    • Glenn   On   March 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm

      I think the “city of Zion” translation and return part of the Enoch story is uniquely a Joaeph Smith creation. The bible says God took Enoch, but doesn’t say he took the entire city (does it????). I think this was just Joseph trying to get his followers to buy into the United Order concept that he could benefit from at the top of the food chain. He clearly wasn’t thinking of the impact of tgat storyline on 2 Nephi 2:11 (opposition in all things).

      • Flackerman   On   March 28, 2014 at 8:37 pm

        As far as I am aware you are correct, the city of Enoch being translated story is a creation of Smith. That this story contradicts other teachings of his, is not unique. Smith contradicted himself quite often during his life.
        IMO, Mormon doctrine is what it is because that is where it had evolved to at the time of Joseph’s death. If he had lived another 10 or 20 years, it would have morphed into something else.

  4. Cylon   On   March 28, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    Okay, I finished the episode, and yeesh. I think it might have been better titled “The Intentional Sexist.” It seems just having a woman on the podcast with him is all it really takes for Mike to open the floodgates.

  5. Charles   On   March 28, 2014 at 8:34 pm

    Great episode.
    Did Mike say “giants” was a mistranslation and should have been translated as “fallen”? Mike, if that’s true why didn’t Joseph Smith correct it in the Book of Moses? This doesn’t really help your cause, bro…

  6. simateoako   On   March 28, 2014 at 9:54 pm

    This entire episode left me smiling, like unto a man suffering from Blood Atonement: from ear to ear.

  7. Lachoneus   On   March 29, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Very interesting overall; it’s unfortunate how some panelists kept interrupting with something less interesting to say than letting Mike answer the questions he was asked; became annoying after several times. Some of your other podcasts have been better about letting the guests answer the questions and not being all over the place with panelists who feel their opinion is more compelling than the guest answering the question (would have got more “dinner party” gems).

    • Randy_Snyder   On   March 30, 2014 at 1:37 pm

      Lachoneus, I’m one of those panelists you speak of and guilty as charged. It’s a fair criticism and I agree with it. This subject is particularly annoying to me. The church forces my intelligent and scientifically trained little brother to believe the global flood is an historical event. It’s patently absurd and falsifiable and I let my frustration disrupt the flow regrettably. Thanks for the honest feedback.

      • Lachoneus   On   March 31, 2014 at 5:56 am

        Thanks Randy for answering. As an example, I was curious to hear the answer to your question about what Mike believed about hominids, but the other guys jumped in and didn’t let Mike answer. Also wanted to compliment your participation during the last few years during different podcasts, I don’t think I’m alone in being more interested in a podcast if you are going to be participating; keep up the voice of reason/bringing balance to the force.

      • Glenn   On   March 31, 2014 at 11:12 am

        Actually, I think the hominid question was more a casualty of editing than of interruption. I’d have to go back to find that spot to know for sure, but Mike didn’t really have a direct answer for the hominid question — it was something like believing in an old earth but not in “old man” — but that was also why he started discussing the garden of eden as a island of immortality on a mortal earth, where Adam would pass by the angel that guarded it yada yada — we did make one joke about the city of Eridu being populated by hominids while Adam was still in the garden, but that got edited out, too.
        But you should like the discussion we recorded last night. Randy talked so much he gave himself cotton mouth.

  8. Brad   On   March 29, 2014 at 11:13 pm

    Mike, would you be so kind as to link me to the info about the temple in Peru that has a celestial room, garden of eve, moon room etc? I’m sure you are right and this will totally validate the modern mormon temple ceremony, but I would really like to see it for myself so I can share it with all my apostate/anti-christ friends.
    Thanks in advance.

  9. Blorg Jorgensson   On   March 30, 2014 at 3:16 pm

    Thanks to whomever used the term “cafeteria empiricist.” (Who was that? I still can’t identify most of you by voice.) It’s a perfect, concise way to describe a phenomenon of Mormonism that has bugged me for years.

  10. LDSRevelations   On   April 2, 2014 at 3:33 pm

    Love ya Mike. Thanks for still playing when yer obviously outnumbered and outgunned. I don’t agree with your views but admire your honesty and forthrightness.
    Interesting podcast and thanks for sharing all of the evidence points.

  11. Garrett   On   February 25, 2015 at 1:57 am

    In this episode they ask Mike if he had listened to the episode about the Hopewell mounds in Ohio. I can’t find that episode anywhere. Does anyone know what it is called? Or did I misunderstand that part?

  12. CurrerBell   On   September 10, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    “Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by SEVENS, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
    Of fowls also of the air by SEVENS, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.”
    —Genesis 7:2-3 (emphasis added)
    “And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.” —Genesis 8:20
    Just in case you needed any more reasons for the story to be implausible. 😉 Extra animals were fed and cared for and cleaned up after just to be killed in sacrifice immediately upon disembarking to dry land.

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