Ep 266 – Stealing Light from Kolob: Marijuana 101

Written by on March 6, 2016

Matt, John, and Randy talk with two marijuana experts. The first, a entrepreneur who grows and sells marijuana, legally. The other, Cheech and Chong’s best friend and friend to the podcast, Micah Nickolaisen. Learn a little bit about every hippy’s favorite pastime and find out if marijuana should be legal. Spoiler alert: yes, the answer is yes!

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  1. Brenda   On   March 6, 2016 at 4:19 pm

    I’m not done listening yet.. but I have some anxiety problems and sleeping issues because of that. So, ya’ll are telling me I need some indica? Too bad I live in utah. ha!

  2. Saint Ralph   On   March 7, 2016 at 3:22 am

    The main problem with marijuana is that you can grow enough for your own use in a square meter in your backyard for free. When things don’t make sense, follow the money. When you’ve followed the money from beginning to end, everything makes perfect sense. There is a film that can be purchased, rented or streamed called β€œThe Union: The Business Behind Getting High.” It explains how the pharmaceutical industry, the brewing and distilling industry, the prison industry (yes, prison industry), the textile industry, the paper products industry, the law enforcement industry and others all benefit from the illegality of marijuana/hemp and all of its potential byproducts. It’s too involved to detail here, but if you want to know why marijuana/hemp really is illegal, watch β€œThe Union.”
    For the record, I don’t even like marijuana, I never have, I just don’t want it illegal if it helps someone with a medical problem and I don’t want my tax dollars being spent to round up pot-heads or even pot dealers—who cares?

  3. Saint Ralph   On   March 7, 2016 at 4:31 am

    A grain is a tiny bit, about 65 milligrams. They are mostly used for measuring bullets and gunpowder these days. My dad had a beam balance that weighed in grains because he used to make his own bullets and load his own shells. I wish I had the balance now. It would make a great steampunk curiosity.

    • Matt   On   March 7, 2016 at 5:03 am

      Damnit. I knew that, but had a complete brain fart about that during the discussion. Thanks again.

  4. AnotherClosetAtheist   On   March 7, 2016 at 6:05 pm

    Wow, a pre-apostle ripping dank budz in an unfunded, unblinded, anecdotal experiment with no positive or negative controls or peer review. He really scienced the shit outta this one. Totally a legit experiment, not just a weekend of fun.
    On a serious note, how can the Church be OK with legalizing derivatized heroin to treat pain in white, middle-class suburbanites, but not OK with medicinal MJ?
    Of course the key is “white, middle-class suburbanites,” and this episode did well to discuss the racism behind the Religious Right’s opposition to coffee, tea, and other “foreign” substances.
    A quick search on Wikipedia shows some loaded racial terms in American legislation and discussion when it comes to drugs.

  5. hetaira   On   March 7, 2016 at 10:13 pm

    Interesting podcast guys. I heartily agree with Randy that it needs to be reclassified so serious research can be done. There was brief mention of the risk to adolescents but I’d like to hear any discussion of pot include a warning to those with a family risk for schizophrenia. Yes, that’s only 1% of the population, but it’s such a horrific life-destroying illness that it bears mention. (As someone with two schizophrenic family members I chose to sterilize myself at age 22 rather than risk any possible genetic transmission.) There has been some work done in the UK and Japan on THC exposure as a potential trigger for those at risk:

    • Tim   On   March 7, 2016 at 10:29 pm

      Prevalence of schizophrenia/schizoaffective disorder across all cultures and races around the world is 1% (does that mean that they were valiant or fence sitters in the pre-existence? Good question for Elder Bednar). Risk of developing schizophrenia if you have a first degree relative with schizophrenia is about 10%.

      • hetaira   On   March 8, 2016 at 1:57 am

        Thanks, Tim. As a never-mo I’d be curious if anyone’s heard the faithful explanation, back in the day it could have been seen as outright demonic possession.

  6. Tim   On   March 8, 2016 at 12:01 am

    As someone with severe Crohn’s disease, I qualify for medical marijuana in Minnesota. I think it would be very helpful. But, I can’t use it because I’m a physician. You are spot on about MDs prescribing marijuana — I rely on my DEA license to do my job, and that license comes from the institution that classifies marijuana as a schedule 1 narcotic. There is no way in hell that I would risk my livelihood just to use or prescribe marijuana.
    I had a couple of zone leaders on my mission who smoked weed. One of them cited the Word of Wisdom D&C 89:
    10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome herbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man–
    11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with prudence and thanksgiving.
    Not surprisingly, his dad wrote for Sunstone. I guess he was a Sunstoner.
    The church’s opposition to medical marijuana sharply contrasts The Utah Mormon affinity for naturopathy. Orrin Hatch is the fool who deregulated the naturopathic industry, creating a multi billion dollar industry of (mostly, not all) quackery that exploits the scientifically illiterate. Natural foods and supplements are HUGE in Utah. And now we have Doterra to cure us with scented oils. I think it all stems back to the traditions related to those verses in D&C 89.
    Just a couple of points — carboxylates are COO- groups, the ionized form of the carboxyl group COOH. And lanolin is not an opioid. It’s a common ingredient in lotions that comes from sheep. I think Hamer was referring to laudanum.

    • Randy_Snyder   On   March 8, 2016 at 3:34 am

      I immediately realized that night that I mixed up in my head hydroxyl groups with carboxyl groups. But nobody cared enough to edit it including me. But here’s a funny clip from the Simpsons about a trouble carboxyl group on Focusyn that Bart was taking:

      • Tim   On   March 10, 2016 at 2:52 pm

        Sorry to be the douchebag nitpicking listener. Like you, I should have just let it go without making any comment or correction. It’s next to impossible to speak extemporaneously without making any mistakes, and the degree to which you succeed at it is impressive. Thanks for the Simpsons reference.

      • Randy_Snyder   On   March 11, 2016 at 4:46 pm

        Not really but thanks. I fuck up all the time. I’m fine w you correcting me.

  7. Curtis Jensen   On   March 8, 2016 at 3:39 am

    Great podcast as usual, infants. I enjoy the serious topic and the irreverence with which you treat it. Keep up the good work!
    A couple of corrections for you (I know it’s too late, but bear with me). The FDA does regulate nutritional supplements. If the supplement company makes medical claims (that it cures something, basically), the FDA will come down hard on the company and either make them remove the claims or do the work to become a drug. Most of the companies don’t actually want to spend the money to prove that their product is just snake oil, so they typically just stop claiming that they can cure, or they fold up shop.
    Another: There is an out-of-print book (Sorry, I can’t remember the name right now) that looked at the transcripts of the actual congressional hearings (and other documents such as court documents, etc,) about of the whole marijuana ban. While the newspapers may have been happy to see hemp added to the ban, the main reason was that Mexicans (the primary users at the time) were perceived as “coming into the country and taking jobs from white Americans” It seems that it is an all too familiar refrain. Since there were really no laws on the books to allow Mexicans to be simply deported, the US government had to come up with a way to get them to move out.
    Since, at the time, marijuana was grown (for personal use mostly) and used primarily by Mexicans, the US government made it a law that you had to have a tax stamp for any product grown…and then never actually printed or provided any stamps to sell. That made it possible to imprison some and hopefully the others would just move home.
    The amount of disinformation spread as part of those congressional hearings was staggering, even by today’s standards.
    Just a little info…enjoy!

    • Randy_Snyder   On   March 8, 2016 at 3:50 am

      It’s not the same.
      “Supplements [as opposed to pharmaceutical drugs], however, are a different story entirely. Since the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 (DSHEA) supplements have been largely deregulated. Companies can market products to the public without submitting any evidence for safety, and they can make pseudo-health claims (so-called structure/function claims) without any oversight either. Quality control is essentially voluntary.
      The only real regulation in place is generic post-marketing monitoring for fraud, through agencies like the FTC, which is a hopeless game of whack-a-mole.”
      So even though the FTC can go after fraudulent claims, the FDA does little to nothing for regulating quality control. And even the FTC has shown to be impotent in this task.
      Here’s the entire article if you care to read it:

      • Phil Hampton   On   March 23, 2016 at 8:55 am

        Randy, you are one fuckin smart dude. Were you into science back as a believer? If so, how did you reconcile the church’s narrative?

  8. Dave Sonntag   On   March 8, 2016 at 5:58 pm

    WRT Elder “Tokin’ Talmadge,” a grain is an archaic pharmaceutical measurement. There are 15 grains to one gram.

  9. J   On   March 12, 2016 at 4:32 pm

    I’d just like to say that this NeverMo loves Infants On Thrones. You guys are great!
    I have two suggestions/requests, that might be cool.
    1.) Maybe have a true believing Mormon come on every once in a while as a contrast (if you can find a willing one, that is). Might help add a layer that is sometimes lost when you guys agree too closely on things. Heather has been helping with this some, but a real apologist-style TBM would be awesome.
    2.) You guys should do an episode that features an ExMo that didn’t become an atheist or agnostic. Someone like a John Hamer, except get someone who switched to a completely non-Mormon faith. Bring on somebody that turned Muslim, or Catholic, or Episcopalian, and examine their new religion against their old one.
    A Catholic one would be cool, because so many Mormon practices and terms are originally Catholic things that have been altered so much that the entire idea has been inverted.
    Just some ideas! I know most of you guys are now atheist, but having some more theist/TBM elements would be a super interesting contrasting during your panel discussions/debates.
    Take care!

  10. Karen   On   March 22, 2016 at 6:18 am

    Can’t believe I am fact checking John Hamer! Concerning Muslims and marijuana: I can’t speak for all Islam, but in Dubai, UEA, the country I have lived in for the past 4+ years, Marijuana aka Hashish is very illegal. There are always a couple articles a month in the local paper about someone being arrested for attempted smuggling or possession. The prison terms are worse here than in the US. I’m guessing there was a misunderstanding about Hashish vs Sheesha. Sheesha is the flavored tobacco (strawberry, vanilla, …) that people smoke from a hooka. It’s being frowned upon in more and more public places for public health, just like smoking, but it’s legal. Hashish–weed–is not.

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