Ep 110 – Our Mormon Expression – Part 1

Written by on September 25, 2014

In this two-part episode, the full quorum — Tom, Glenn, Randy, Bob, Matt, Scott, and Jake — take a very long stroll down memory lane and discuss their collective experiences with the Mormon Expression podcast — the good, the bad, and the ugly.
But mostly the good.  Cuz once upon a time, we put as much energy, love, and passion into that podcast as we do into this one.   And it’s finally time to tell that story (for anyone who might find it interesting or meaningful).
We take a mostly chronological approach, spanning nearly three years of our collective lives:
Part 1 focuses on the early days of Mormon Expression, starting in June 2009, with Tom as a founding member, and finishes up with Glenn joining the group in early 2010.
Part 2 begins with a reflection of Tom’s classic interview with Will Bagley (Bishops asking young men about sex with animals, anyone?) and takes us up through the contributions of Scott, Bob, Randy, Matt, and Jake to the end of our Mormon Expression experience and the beginning of Infants on Thrones around June 2012.
Apologies upfront for the length and often whimsical self-indulgence of our discussion.  If you are not familiar with Mormon Expression or did not follow that podcast during the time we are discussing, this may turn in to a very long snooze-fest.  But it was certainly important and impactful for us.  Because for a significant part of our lives, it was Our Mormon Expression, too.

  1. Lance   On   September 25, 2014 at 9:59 pm

    Halfway through, and this is some straight up Dr. Dre vs. Easy E gangsta shit! I love the honesty, and the level headed approach you’ve taken.

  2. Orrin Dayne   On   September 25, 2014 at 10:32 pm

    This year, thanks to John Dehlin’s and Kate Kelly’s high profile discipline cases, I found Mormon Stories. (These “Courts of Love” end up publicizing apostate messages far beyond the capacity of John or Kate individually. Way to protect the members from these apostates’ messages, guys!)
    Anyway, when I ran out of Mormon Stories episodes I wanted to listen to, I found Mormon Expression. And when Mormon Expression announced their host search, one commenter recommended getting talent from “Infants on Thrones” which is how I found Infants on Thrones.
    I was hooked the moment I heard “Cult of Personality” as
    a bumper. It was also great to hear many familiar voices from Mormon Expression in the Quorum. I just have one question: When is Glenn going to have Christa channel Dream Mine founder John H. Koyle?

  3. Allison   On   September 27, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    I listened to this while I had a lot of distractions going on around me, so I wast completely focused (and it might have been in part 2), but did I hear Glenn mention something about his stake president being indicted for prostitution?? The same stake president he recorded a podcast to recently? Is there more to this story??? Did I miss something, or just imagine that I heard this…..

    • Glenn   On   September 27, 2014 at 8:59 pm

      Sorry Allison — that was a little misleading. I meant my former stake president, from Arizona — the guy who set me apart as a missionary back in the day. He was recently arrested for prostitution.

  4. Dave   On   September 28, 2014 at 12:32 am

    I’m sorry guys, I usually like your stuff, but I thought these two episodes were self-congratulatory horse shit. I can’t believe you spent 3 hours talking about how great your contributions to ME were. Stick with Mormonism. Please.

    • Bob Caswell   On   September 28, 2014 at 12:41 am

      At the risk of feeding a troll-ish kind of comment, can you provide more about your relation to all of this? Are you a fan/listener of Mormon Expression (either back then or now or both)? Did you know that we were all a part of it before starting IOT? Knowing your starting point will help us contextualize your feedback, thanks.

    • eyeroll   On   September 29, 2014 at 2:44 pm

      Yeah guys. It’s your podcast and you foot the bills and do all the hard work. But you are only allowed to release the content *I* want you to release. GOSH!

    • Tom Perry   On   September 30, 2014 at 10:58 pm

      Not sure why you kept listening after the very clear disclaimers we clearly stated in the beginning. No worries, there will be plently of other episodes that will cause you less butthurt, I promise.

  5. Nate   On   September 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    This kept me from running my errands for four hours because I couldn’t wait to hear what happened next. For people who have been on the ME + IOT journey, I think this is a super fun episode. I think it’s good that you got all this off your chest and it’s fun to hear all the behind the scenes stuff. Is there any way you guys could quickly list at the ME episodes you mentioned, would love to take that trip through memory lane but don’t wanna listen for four hours again to get the list. Damn why didn’t I write it down!

    • Glenn   On   September 30, 2014 at 12:32 am

      I think this just about covers the ones we discussed:
      Episode 11: An Interview
      with Tom (9/1/09)
      Episode 30: The Dream Mine
      Episode 36: Mormon
      Schismatic Groups
      Episode 37ab: The Nauvoo
      Expositor For Dummies Part 1&2 (1/12/10)
      Episode 40: Brian Dalton and
      Mr. Deity (2/2/10)
      Episode 46: The Mountain
      Meadows Massacre with Dr. Gene Sessions (3/11/10)
      Episode 48: Mormon Humor
      Episode 51ab: Interview with
      Will Bagley part 1&2 (4/8/10)
      Episode 53: Glenn Ostlund
      Interviews Kaboh (4/20/10)
      Episode 56a: The Lost 10
      Tribes Part 1 (5/11/10)
      Episode 56b: The Lost 10
      Tribes Part 2 (5/11/10)
      Episode 61: Bonus: 10
      Tribes–the After Discussion (6/3/10)
      Episode 68: Zilpha’s
      Conversation with Nate: Coming Out and Coming to Terms (7/6/10)
      Episode 70: Little Happy
      Secrets with Melissa Leilani Larson (7/14/10)
      Episode 71ab: The King Follet
      Discourse for Dummies Part 1&2 (7/20/10)
      Episode 73: Why Mormon
      Church Meetings are so Dull
      Episode 77: Mormon
      Expressions (8/24/10)
      Episode 78: An interview
      with Dennis and Sue (8/31/10)
      Episode 88: Saturday’s Warrior
      for Dummies (10/12/10)
      Episode 89ab: The 14
      Fundamentals of Following a Prophet for Dummies Part 1&2 (10/19/10)
      Episode 95ab: Doctrine and
      Covenants 132 for Dummies Part 1&2 (11/30/10)
      Episode 96: Bishop Higgins(12/7/10)
      Episode 98ab: Christmas
      Music part 1&2 (12/21/10)
      Episode 103: Big Love Panel
      Episode 104: The Poelman
      Conference Talk (1/18/11)
      Episode 106: Mormon Nudists
      Episode 110: A Discussion
      with a Current Bishop (2/3/11)
      Episode 124: The Book of
      Mormon Musical (3/29/11)
      Episode 128: Mike Tannehill
      and the Abrahamic Covenant (4/28/11)
      Episode 131: Bias, Balance
      and Objectivity (4/26/11)
      Episode 132: Mark E.
      Petersen’s Steps in Overcoming Masturbation (4/31/11)
      Episode 143: Book of Mormon
      Musical Criticism (6/30/11)
      Episode 154: “Discussing
      Pornography with Your Future Son-in-Law” (8/30/11)
      Episode 156: Dale Morgan Lecture:
      Will Bagley (9/13/11)
      Episode 168: Hell House
      Episode 169: Latter-day
      Scripture (11/3/11)
      Episode 181: State of The
      Union (1/10/12)
      Episode 205: The Book of
      Mormon Movie Review (6/5/12)

      • Nate   On   September 30, 2014 at 1:11 am

        Sweet! Thanks! And someday I would love to get a hold of Glenn’s best of ME live broadcast prize … I love your passion for your art man, even if sometimes you’re worried about stepping on other people’s toes, I can just tell you do it because you love it and it’s a joy for you. Keep it up guys!

  6. Allison   On   September 30, 2014 at 1:38 am

    I wanted to add that after listening to these episodes and then the Nostalgia and Stuff episode, I realized that I AM totally nostalgic for what it felt like to be a new ex mormon. Trying alcohol for the first time, waking up on sundays and realizing anew each week that I could stay in bed all day if I wanted to, wear any kind of clothing I wanted to, realizing that I never had to be guilted into fasting, visiting teaching, or holding a calling again. I know that makes me sound like I left the church for those reasons, but really they were just awesome bonuses added on to the bigger reasons why I left. I miss that newness and excitement of finding little perks of getting out of the church.
    During my newly ex mormon phase, I listened to ME so often that I would hum that fucking “Is there a better way” song all day and no one really stood out to me on that podcast. Then when I heard Randy, Bob, Tom, Jake, Glenn, and Scott on IOT it was just so fun to think back about them on Mormon Expression and see how they were able to come into their own and really contribute and be themselves on IOT.

  7. Lilith   On   October 8, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    I loved this. The inner workings are fascinating. I’m the friend who brought the Namelka scriptures to John. I was always disappointed we didn’t get a crazy episode from those.

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