Ep 177 – Old Age

Written by on May 10, 2015

  1. Thomas Moore   On   May 11, 2015 at 4:08 am

    When I was TBM and a missionary; we claimed that the church was setup exactly as it was when Jesus set it up. There can only be 12 apostles, death decides when a new apostle will be called (Barthlomew, Stephen, Paul, etc…). Which is why when Jesus set up his church in the Americas he called 12 Nephite Disciples, since there were already 12 Apostles in Jerusalem.
    Actually they don’t even have to create a “First Presidency”. It is up to the Q12 to decide if there is going to be a first presidency or not. Then the highest ranking and president of the Quorum of the twelve becomes the president of the Church. http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/additional-resource/succession-in-the-presidency-of-the-church-of-jesus-christ-of-latter-day-saints
    Gordon B. Hinkley admitted there have been lengthy times there has been no First Presidency. https://www.lds.org/ensign/2005/12/the-quorum-of-the-first-presidency?lang=eng

  2. Michael Carpenter   On   May 11, 2015 at 4:49 am

    One correction, Jake. An apostle does NOT need to be there to call a new stake president. I was on the high council when a new stake president was called and it was two members of the 70 — 1st quorum and 5th quorum. They interviewed all the bishops, the high council and several others.

    • Brother Jake   On   May 11, 2015 at 8:40 pm

      My bad! I must have misunderstood that. Do you happen to know which events require the apostles, other than General Conference and mission president/70 training? The only thing that comes to mind is temple dedications, but it seems like there are others…

      • Michael Carpenter   On   May 12, 2015 at 5:09 am

        I’ve also heard stories about apostles canceling mission tours due to needing to be in SLC. Didn’t E. Perry cancel a mission tour just before General Conference, due to needing to help with conference?

      • Malachi   On   May 12, 2015 at 6:21 pm

        I was under the impression that an apostle had to be there, too. If it’s not necessary it must at least be the ideal, no?

  3. Saint Ralph   On   May 11, 2015 at 5:52 am

    Sorry guys, but I’d want people to tell me if I was deluded: Matt’s audio sucked. It was poppy and muffled and faded in and out the whole time he was on. Tom and Jake’s was fine, so I don’t think my equipment or connection had anything to do with it. I’m just sayin’ . . .
    (“I’m just sayin'” is the new “Amen,” you see.)

    • Tom Perry   On   May 12, 2015 at 1:03 am

      Here’s the thing about Matt’s mic. The mic he used in this discussion is much better than the previous one. I’ve been listening and talking to him for over 2 years now, I would hope I could tell the difference. The times where you can’t hear him as well is because he has clearly moved his mouth away from the mic. I have a table top mic and I still find myself moving away from the mic from time to time. It will take some adjustment. That’s all. He didn’t have that problem previously when he was using a headset. He could move his head around all he wanted. And if he got a pop filter, the popping would go away. Dude can’t figure out time zones let alone how to install a pop filter so I’ll take what I can get. 🙂 But bottom line, dude still sounded better to me. Call me delusional I guess.

      • Saint Ralph   On   May 12, 2015 at 4:12 am

        How about a Kickstarter campaign to get him a pop filter? If it didn’t fit the mic, maybe you could put it over his head.
        On second thought, forget I said that. That might be a patentable idea. Open-cell foam ski masks for rock stars and pod casters . . . where’s my roll-a-dex?

      • Trent   On   May 12, 2015 at 8:21 pm

        Matt may not need a pop filter if he adjusts the mic position. The popping happens when puffs of air go directly into the mic diaphragm. If you put your mic more above or below your mouth then it doesn’t get the air.

  4. Jaime   On   May 11, 2015 at 5:24 pm

    Okay, you guys bordered on ageist.
    In my opinion, the main problem with the age of the Mormon prophets and apostles is that the true believers look at these men as conduits to god. If grandpa or grandma say crazy shit, we smile, give ’em a hug and love them while setting the crazy aside. When an apostle spews racist, bigoted, misogynistic hate speech over the pulpit, it’s from god. The average TBM does not set it aside.

    • Tom Perry   On   May 12, 2015 at 12:52 am

      Great point Jamie! Wish we would have talked about that.
      But I don’t think we were being “ageist” at all. There were some light jabs layered in humor, but far from being considered ageist.

      • Jaime   On   May 15, 2015 at 5:49 am

        Perhaps I am just overly sensitive to my own age and desire to be relevant. Carry on…

  5. Bryce Jones   On   May 11, 2015 at 8:23 pm

    This is speculation, and I know some don’t like to speculate here, but the pope could have retired because of his lack of credibility after everything came out regarding his involvement in the molestation cover-ups. The movie Mea Maxima Culpa tries to imply that their documentary influenced his decision to step down.
    This would negate the example of the Catholics allowing their leader to gracefully retire into emeritus status due to old age.
    Again, speculation. Don’t beat me.

  6. Micah Wightman   On   May 12, 2015 at 2:01 am

    I agree 100% that there should be emeritus status for apostles. I just don’t think that it will happen soon for one reason… Just like congress voting to limit the number of terms a congressperson can serve or a board of directors voting for limits on executive compensation, as long as the people who are affected by the proposed change are the same ones who are voting on it, it is in their best interest to sweep it under the rug and not bring it up for a vote. Other than the desire to finally rest, these 15 old white dudes have nothing to gain by voting themselves out. I was hoping this would come up in your discussion, but unless I missed it when my mind wandered off a few times, it didn’t come up.

  7. Duke of Earl Grey   On   May 12, 2015 at 6:02 am

    I can’t help but think that the pope having stepped down will in no way encourage the apostles to make a similar change towards emeritus status. I think, even if they were ever considering such a move, the fact that the Catholics beat them to it would only end up delaying change that much longer. After all, the True and Living Church can’t be seen to be taking cues from the apostate Mother of Harlots, now can it?

  8. Ron Hill   On   May 12, 2015 at 3:29 pm

    I think there’s a magical view at play in the church regarding the prophet. He’s put there by god and god will preserve him in this divine calling to perform it. Admitting that the prophet is having health problems, especially mental ones, also admits fallibility along with god’s neglect of the man. To remove him would admit the fallibility of the office.
    Much like the topic of suicide, it is god’s will that the prophet is the prophet and we are not to meddle with god’s will – just doing a bit of TBM whispering here.

  9. Malachi   On   May 12, 2015 at 6:30 pm

    The mercy killing joke seemed like the kind of comment that would inevitably bring about a Tom Sigh, and yet Tom was the one who made it. There were also a few Tom-swears. Quite different from the usual Tom, I thought. Just an observation. Thanks for another great episode, infants!

  10. John Spencer   On   May 12, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    This podcast made me worry a little bit about my own self. I peed a little I laughed so hard at the mercy killing and the singing of “God Be With You”……

    • WrdGrl   On   May 14, 2015 at 1:08 am

      Yes, thank you! I was a little distracted by the pronunciation. It is not “al-timers” but “al-zhei-mer’s.” (Sorry, dudes. Pet peeve of mine.) Good discussion. We are seeing a little more “badass Tom” I suppose.:(

      • Matt   On   May 14, 2015 at 4:44 pm

        I’m pretty sure Tom was the one who kept committing that grammatical sin. An infant should be punished for his own sins and not for Tom’s transgression. 🙂

      • WrdGrl   On   May 14, 2015 at 5:02 pm

        Drat. I am forced to renounce my previous comment. Tom is at the top of the Infant list for me. I can live with the T. I fully withdraw my comment. Great job on the podcast, Matt, Jake, and Tom (yes, even Badass Tom.) 🙂

      • Tom Perry   On   May 14, 2015 at 5:26 pm

        No need to renounce, guilty as charged. I also have difficulty pronouncing “Patriarchy”. I will work on it, I promise. Thanks for putting up with my vocal F*K ups. 🙂

  11. Erin   On   May 15, 2015 at 10:57 am

    So why don’t they ever just have a 20 or 30-year-old somebody talk in General Conference? Has it ever happened?? I could see favorable (internal) press if a 32-year-old stay-at-home mother of 4 gets up and they would all be like Seeee! The Church loves women!!! You don’t have to be a corporate suit to be valued in this church!!
    Or even a Youth talk of some teenager? has it happened? Everyone would use it as a bathroom break time but at least it would skew the average age down lol

  12. Christ.Cheezus   On   May 15, 2015 at 9:03 pm

    I have only made it half way or so through the episode, but isn’t there a personal ambition component to this. I assume that these old geezers supporting the corporation liked supporting the corp. Their carrot close to the end of the race is that if they are the longest man standing they get the one share of the corporation of the church — a billion dollar empire. That is some lottery they are playing with odds better that you could ever find in Vegas. So, don’t assume that they want emeritus status. That would take them out of the running to get a billion dollar corp and make a mark on the history of that hideous cult.

  13. Scott   On   May 15, 2015 at 9:06 pm

    I have to assume all the top 15 have their 2nd anointing, and from what i understand part of that blessing is that they “may live as long as life is desirable”. So what’s so desirable about being bedridden and not recognizing your family compared with moving on and doing that great “missionary work” in the sky. You know that “missionary work” that comforts so many moms when their 18 year old son/daughter gets killed in a car accident.

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