Ep 312 – Fear 2016: Trumpocalypse

Written by on October 11, 2016

In the outstanding tradition of Infant October Fear episodes, Glenn explains his very real fear of the potential impending Trumpocalypse.  No kitty cats were grabbed in the making of this episode.

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  1. CocoaCoveredHeretic   On   October 11, 2016 at 4:27 pm

    Awesome episode Glenn. It perfectly articulates the frustration and bewilderment that I feel right now. Also the scariest of all the fear episodes. This scares the shit out of me!
    I’ve been thinking a lot the last couple of days about what is really going on here. The people that I talk to who are still supporting trump basically say something along the lines of: “Well both candidates are bad so I might as well still vote for Trump.” This line of reasoning seems insane to me. To my ear it sounds like somebody saying: “Well eating nuclear waste and eating trans fats are both bad for you, so I might as well just eat the nuclear waste” It absolutely boggles my mind that people can’t see the difference.
    It actually strikes me that the personality that is still supporting trump is the same personality that leads people to cover their eyes and refuse to look at the essays on lds.org. They aren’t interested in facts. They are only interested in things that support the world view that they’ve already decided on. And as much as we are all prone to a confirmation bias to some degree, this is some next level denial that we’re talking about here!
    It would be fascinating to watch if it weren’t so terrifying. I feel pretty confident that if you took most of the people that are supporting Trump, erased their memory, and then showed them two faceless, nameless, party-less candidates, and explained each person’s history, policy plans, and temperament, virtually no one would vote for Trump. But he’s an “outsider” so it totally makes sense to vote for the misogynistic, xenophobic, bigot.
    I keep on having to remind myself to just breath through this. Trump isn’t going to be president. This tape is going to be the final nail in his coffin. The doesn’t mean that I don’t find it disturbing that millions upon millions of people are still going to vote for this asshole. But I think it is going to be okay!

    • Glenn   On   October 11, 2016 at 6:13 pm

      Thank you. Yeah. I’m with you. It’s super scary. I think I sort of get it, though. And I probably would have been this way if I had stayed the same way I was 25+ years ago when Bill Clinton was running. I just watched this CNN interview with a Trump supporter (link below), and you know, for as tragic as I this woman’s position is, the “TBM Whisperer” in me understands it.
      Imagine that the most important issue to you was pro-life. You would vote for the candidate who said he would strike down Roe v. Wade and who would nominate more conservative judges on the supreme court. You would look at evil Hillary and liberals as being totally insane and deceived and — for as bad as what Trump said is — it wouldn’t compare to the atrocity you see in abortion. So, maybe instead of nuc-U-lar waste vs. trans fats it was lewd and inappropriate comments from 11 years ago vs. murdering babies — it’s not THAT hard to get why they would give him a pass. And this woman’s comment that God can work through imperfect people. Face palm! But I get it. And that scares me even more.

      • CocoaCoveredHeretic   On   October 11, 2016 at 8:52 pm

        Damn you and your TBM whispering. I just want Trump supporters to be crazy, and for us to all call them crazy while they sit there in their craziness! 🙂
        Seriously though, as much as I understand why partisan politics might make a person vote for somebody they don’t particularly like, Trump is a different situation. I find it depressing that close to half of our country is willing to burn the mother fucker down rather than vote for a person in the other party. I can’t do the math in any way that makes the policy positions Donald Trump holds outweigh the shit storm of bigotry that he brings with him. And I’m depressed that I have to raise my daughters in a country where 40 percent of the population is willing to overlook such dangerous attitudes from the person who wants to lead our country.
        Makes me want to go nuc-U-lar on every Trump supporter out there!

      • Orrin Dayne   On   October 11, 2016 at 9:09 pm

        Your TBM Whispering is 100% accurate. In 2004, I talked with my mother (who lived in the swing state of Ohio at the time) about voting for Kerry. She explained she was going to vote for Bush because Bush was pro-life. I told her that she, being 73 years old, had far more personally relevant issues than abortion and, further, Roe vs. Wade was 30 years entrenched/decided law. It was to no avail. I’m just glad she moved to California a couple years later, where she could do no electoral harm.

  2. CaptainExecutable   On   October 11, 2016 at 6:43 pm

    Hey Glenn,
    I liked the podcast.
    I’ve been a reliable Republican voter for most of my life who is voting for Hillary this election. The fact that Trump is polling at 42% of the popular vote has me very concerned for out democracy. Trump is the least fit candidate for president at least in my life time.
    The bad news is that the voting public is much less sophisticated than I had hoped.
    But look on the bright side. The good news is that Trump is predicted to lose. Many prominent Mormons are speaking out against Trump. I know of a handful of Mormons and Exmos like myself who are crossing party lines just to vote against Trump.

    • Glenn   On   October 11, 2016 at 7:19 pm

      42% is still way too close, but there is atlas some small hope. Someone needs to create a meme that is a cross between Obama’s “Hope” and the Ghostbuster crossed-out-circle-thingy crossing out Trump.

  3. Saint Ralph   On   October 11, 2016 at 8:03 pm

    You’re right, Trump supporters are way scarier than Trump himself. As an engineer in the Military/Industrial Complex, I was immersed in their right-wing, tea bagger culture for decades. It is the culture of what’s left of America’s working class. The people I socialize with now, mostly egghead liberal intellectuals, live in such a bubble that they don’t even believe this group exists. Yes, it exists and, if we’re lucky, it comprises a little less than half of the country. If we’re not as lucky, it comprises a little bit more. They want to know, “What are these Trump supporters thinking?” They’ve already made at least one assumption too many. They’re not thinking, not at all, not even a little. A Trump supporter feels Trump in their gut. It’s a visceral thing like a “burning in the bosom.” There is no reason involved. These folks denigrate reason and intellect. They don’t want any smart people telling them what to do. It’s a very animalistic, reptile-brain, bronze-age mentality (that’s why it fits so well with evangelical Christianity). But mostly it’s simple. Trump supporters don’t do subtlety or nuance. One shade of gray is all they can handle, if that.
    Personally, I was more depressed before the first debate. I thought that there was probably one person, and only one person, in North America who could lose a presidential race to Donald Trump and that we had found her and nominated her as the DNC candidate. I felt better after the first debate and then the other day when Condoleezza Rice called for Trump to drop out of the race, I began to think that maybe we, as a country, can pull this out after all. Maybe.

  4. Orrin Dayne   On   October 11, 2016 at 9:13 pm

    I am deeply concerned about a Trump presidency — so much so that I called my election board last week to make sure that they will be sending my mail ballot to me. (I hadn’t received it yet, and I was getting worried.)

  5. mad_baus   On   October 11, 2016 at 10:33 pm

    The dismissiveness of the crime and corruption of the Clintons is truly disturbing. I would think that the admittedly condemnable rhetoric used by Trump on the hot mic tape versus the litany of actually felonies commited by Hillary and evidence of collusion and corruption in the highest levels of our government would make this election an easy win for Trump. But no, let’s focus on bad words or mean things Donald has said instead.
    Why is no one angered that the elites can so easily manipulate the public? This was talked about by those in the Clinton campaign in the new wikileaks dump. They outright talk about how they manipulate us. But we still play right into their hands.
    There was a wikileaks dump that came out on the same day that the hot mic tape was released. Coincidence? The leaked documents go into some pretty horrific possibilities that will become a reality if Hillary is elected. Why is no one talking about that instead of what Donald Trump said in a moment of chest-thumping over ten years ago?
    One of the emails quoted Hillary as saying that her dream is for a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders. She essentially wants to be the last president of the United States. If she achieves her dream, the United States will never again be what it once was. Donald may be crass an ineloquent, but he wants to preserve what America is. This election is about Americanism versus globalism.
    I fear a Hillary presidency, but I fear more to be living in a society that actually deserves a Hillary presidency. Our society is one that puts more time and energy into investigating salicious, tabloid-style rhetoric, instead of blatant crime and corruption at the highest levels of our government.
    But, go ahead and keep thinking that Trump supporters are uneducated dolts who will just vote for him because there is an R next to his name, or because we don’t like brown people. Under Hillary, the government will continue to expand, liberties will continue to erode(see Obama’s latest speech to the UN), terrorist attacks will increase, and quality of life and freedoms for all American citizens will suffer.

    • Glenn   On   October 12, 2016 at 2:36 am

      Sounds like you should make a Hilpocalypse listener essay for us. I’d be interested to hear more about that.

  6. Jeff Morris   On   October 11, 2016 at 10:39 pm

    Lol. The confirmation bias is strong in this one.
    Before I say anything – I’m an independent. I don’t like Trump or Clinton.
    That having been said, are you seriously bashing Trump for comments he made about women over a decade ago, but advocating Clinton’s position on diversity when she was staunchly, brazenly opposed to Gay Marriage until 2013? Both are unacceptable positions, but Clinton’s was far more recent. You seem pretty willing to sweep anything negative about Clinton under the rug, and frankly using something over 10 years old seems pretty desperate to me.
    In any case, I genuinely don’t understand the Trump fears. Like usual, people tend to attribute more power to the president than he actually has – Obama should be a shining example of that. The president can’t declare war, can’t create a budget, can’t build a wall bordering Mexico and can’t deport anyone. Those are all under the jurisdiction of Congress – and Congress HATES Trump. If anything, we’d get four years of a lame duck president, and then hopefully get some better options in 2020.
    Personally, I’m equally concerned about Clinton. She stands for, and more importantly, has VOTED for, everything I claim to be against. She’s a warhawk, she has financial ties and backing from half the investment banks on Wall Street, her economic views I think are irresponsible (large deficit spending with emphasis on the United States ‘sharing it’s wealth’ via global trade partnerships), and she has an appalling record on social issues. That’s right – Trump has a better record on social issues than Hilary Clinton.
    Do I believe the She’ll hold to the concessions her platform made to Sanders? Not at all. Again though, Congress is controlled by the Republicans, so any chance of her doing something impactful is quite limited.
    To reiterate – I do not like Trump. At all. The guy is a cartoon character. Do I think he is the worst thing to ever happen? Not at all.

    • Glenn   On   October 12, 2016 at 2:32 am

      Maybe you missed my point. There was nothing “pro Hilary” in this message (that’s your own confirmation bias at play there – we all have them). This is all about the fear I’m feeling about Trump being elected and one of the larger reasons why.

      • Jeff Morris   On   October 12, 2016 at 8:07 am

        Didn’t miss the point, but I probably could I been more clear with mine. What I’m driving at is, why aren’t you afraid of Hilary being elected?

      • Glenn   On   October 12, 2016 at 10:47 am

        For too many reasons than I care to list out to someone who really just wants to argue things that won’t change the fact that Trump is a proven xenophobic sexist con artist of a “businessman” who leaves a trail of disgruntled business partners in his wake with the attention span of a flea who has demonstrated over and over again that he has no idea how the government actually works and can’t even speak in complete sentences and brings out the worst in the people around him.
        Watch that 2005 video again. As he is walking out of the bus making fun of Gerald Ford falling down the steps, he knocks on the inside of the door to get out, as if expecting someone to be there at his beck and call outside the bus to open it for him cuz he doesn’t even know how to open a fucking buss door! He’s an idiot thin-sknned blowhard who has no idea how to get anything done in Washington. Hillary is none of those things.

  7. Zed   On   October 12, 2016 at 12:59 am

    I want to vote for someone, but the 2016 candidates are like an M.C. Escher painting where every candidate is somehow worse than all the other candidates.

  8. Natasha   On   October 12, 2016 at 4:20 pm

    You say mormons should know better, I’d like to offer a counter argument that mormon women do not know better than to support Trump.
    I’m not surprised at all that mormon women are quick to forgive Trumps words and behavior and brush this latest scandal off. Mormon women’s understanding of male sexuality as taught in YW & RS is exactly what Trump portrays – “men can’t help themselves with beautiful.” So to mormon women, Trumps behavior and words are normal male behavior. Normal men require the priesthood and most importantly covered up women to overcome this feature of the natural man. Hell, we’re taught that grown men who are church leaders can’t handle teenage shoulders.

    • Glenn   On   October 12, 2016 at 5:33 pm

      Excellent point Natasha. I was thinking specifically of Moroni 7:45. “And charity suffereth long, and is kind, and envieth not, and is not puffed up, seeketh not her own, is not puffed up, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil, and rejoiceth nit in iniquity, hath not orange skin nor tiny hands, yada yada…”
      Basically, the exact opposite of Trump. It “should” be this way. Of course you are right, though. It is not.

  9. Jas Hans   On   October 12, 2016 at 10:58 pm

    Greetings from across the pond Murica. Can you stop the joking around now? You’ve got the rest of the world shit scared, we are honestly starting to think that people will really vote for the teeny fingered fascist. I for one am hoping for the first time in my life that the bilderberg, illuminati, or whoever is in charge, and they will rein Trump in or give him the old heave-ho.
    The local uni stripped Trump of his honorary degree earlier this year, when it turned out it was obvious the guy was a sociopath – well I think their reason was he was a dangerous xenophobe; however, It’s not just Trump, it’s the fact that so many American’s seem to identify with the pudding faced orangutang – what does that say about the American psyche and it’s willingness to play nice with the rest of the planet? Or even each other for that matter? It’s the world’s biggest role model of ‘I don’t give shit if you roll over and die’ – even Hitler managed to pretend he liked people’s babies!
    BTW I loved the audio dubbing on the episode.

    • Saint Ralph   On   October 12, 2016 at 11:32 pm

      Yes. Forget what it says about him; what does it say about us? Somebody needs to write a song called The Tiny-Fingered Fascist (and get the “pudding-faced orangutang” line in there somehow, too).

  10. DJ jRON   On   October 13, 2016 at 4:27 am

    Poor Glenn! he’s scared! He’s scared of people he doesn’t understand. He’s married, heterosexual, and has a job that assumingly pays well. He’s a privileged white man and I want to spit for saying that because I only do so to point out how low you sink by going out of your way to be just as devisive as those you’re criticizing. You’re scared shitless and feeling alone. The problem is with you, you can’t handle all this social media hysteria and so you are being played like a marionette. Look in the mirror dude, you’re deplorable! I’m disgusted by life term politicians that sell out the interests and freedoms of citizens of this fallen non-free country for their own personal agendas that usurp sovereign freedoms.
    Hey Glenn! I’m scared of a Clinton lady that accepts donations to the tune of 30 million dollars from countries like Saudi Arabia. Yeh know, Saudi Arabia…? They throw gays off buildings and rocks at women’s heads.
    I’m gay but I’ll try my best to be understanding and empathetic of your point of view. You certainly need to take a step back from facebook, 24/7 news cycles, and whatever else is feeding your fire of inner turmoil. You sound pathetical when you go on the offense in an emotional manner because for years I’ve listened to your calm, non-aggressive demeanor when it comes to being fair and “playing nice” towards the believers you once counted yourself among.

    • Glenn   On   October 13, 2016 at 6:36 am

      It’s true. I am deplorable, and only partially informed, and divisive in my own “us vs. them” ways when I should absolutely know better, and all those things you said. I don’t disagree with you. I still have a shit ton of learning and evolving to do. Thank you for holding up that mirror for me. I sincerely mean it.

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