Ep 115 – Creepy Spooky Devil Talk – Part 1

Written by on October 11, 2014

Glenn, Matt and Randy talk about spooky Hell Houses, creepy mormon fear tactics, and a bunch of other devil kind of stuff.

    • Glenn   On   October 12, 2014 at 6:20 am

      Good idea, Orrin, but it does’t work. I tried the old “hand buzzer shake the devil’s hand” trick once before. He couldn’t feel a thing. And then when he realized what was going on and tried to fake a reaction, well… he just wasn’t very convincing. So I had to cast him out (again!) Sigh….

  1. 13013xU   On   October 13, 2014 at 12:31 am

    The discussion about motivation of the leaders (GA, local, non-lds) was interesting; I think they all have the goal of helping other change behavior, partly to validate their own belief and worth, and partly because then they are doing their job as a missionary. Then once someone else changes, or at least says they have changed, they can be missionaries too. That is why so many pretend to have changed, so they can be seen as stronger, more faithful and better. It is a dangerous and unhealthy guilt circle.

  2. Chad   On   October 13, 2014 at 1:42 am

    Great episode gentlemen. Very well done. I’m excited to hear part 2.
    I’m glad Mike T got an invite and decided to come on and do this episode. It takes guts. But it sure is entertaining.
    Fwiw…as far as the fear/guilt argument goes, Randy is correct. …Glenn is wrong. Great banter fellers.
    Looking forward to hearing Bob and Mike get into it. Give him hell Bob, give him hell.

    • Bob Caswell   On   October 13, 2014 at 1:56 am

      Lol, Chad, no pressure… Uh, maybe lower your expectations, I don’t think the second half is as good. Hope you’ll come back and give your feedback once you listen to it. My impression is that Infants on Thrones may be past the point where it makes sense to bring on Mike T as a guest. But you listen and tell us.

      • Orrin Dayne   On   October 13, 2014 at 4:14 am

        Glenn, as the TBM Whisperer, can give you almost all the perspective that Mike T can, which is why I wouldn’t Mike T on very often.
        But Mike T sometimes finds a way to bring additional, off-the-wall perspectives that are
        bewildering and entertaining, which can steer conversations down paths that might otherwise have been missed. So I wouldn’t stop inviting him either.

      • Allison   On   October 15, 2014 at 6:23 am

        I agree with this. I think Glenn is great at channeling his inner once-mormon mindset/TBM whisper in a way that’s not really condescending or sarcastic. But it was still nice to hear good ole’ Mike T. 🙂

  3. Seb   On   October 13, 2014 at 4:19 am

    Spiritual Crocodiles (narrated by Boyd):

    Remember, kids, the wildebeest/90’s glasses guy represents your soul and what happens to it if you step over the fence. We’ll include those shorts of the wildebeest struggling as the croc drags it under, just to drive the point home.

  4. Mike   On   October 14, 2014 at 1:14 pm

    Excellent episode guys! Just downloaded the 2nd one and will listen on the way home. I have decided to move your current episodes up to the front of the line, so I can comment in a more timely manner.
    I am really glad you did one on the Hell house. That is one that I had listened too just a few weeks ago on ME. About a week before I found out about you guys and didn’t realise that you were the same people as on some of the ME’s. Anyway, these hell houses sound so creepy…..now I must google them and find some videos haha.
    I have to say that I lean more with Randy on the topic of the pain the church causes with the guilt. As I am a person who grew up hating myself because of masturbation. I was so embarrassed by it that I never told a bishop. From the time when I was a young teen, up until….we never. I would go weeks with out doing anything and think “I am finally fixed!” Then I would fall and feel like the lowest person ever. I would look at everyone else at church and know that they were so much better then I was. This is one reason why I want to get my kids out of the church. I don’t want them to grow up thinking that they are sinners, or bad because of something that is so natural.
    Anyway….it was a great great GREAT episode! Keep it up guys!

  5. seasickyetstilldocked   On   October 16, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    Randy, the thing you have to remember is that there are certain personality types that are able to go through the tbm mormon experience with little guilt, shame or fear. Some people are so self absorbed and narcissictic that sins like masturbation and porn and concerns about worthiness or not qualifying for the spirit are little more than small speed bumps as they blissfully skip down their own yellow brick road. These are the kinds of people like Glen, who are honestly content at 17 or 18. I don’t know how Glen managed this feat as I am also someone who is in their early forties and lived through the post Kimball moral mentality during the mid to late eighties. I find myself both jealous and resentful at the same time.
    I’m glad you guys are now doing podcasts on the members of IOT. I wonder whose idea that was…..suffice to say that I can’t wait for Glens 10 part series on himself. I figure this might finally be the moment when Glenn get his dream shot and interviews himself. Then, when he is done, he will get to edit himself answering his own questions! Honest to God, I think that would make a great podcast and you guys should demand he do it!
    Look, I’m riding Glenn a little because of the way he just disregards the pain and anguish caused by the fear and guilt tactics of the Church. I remember talking to a guy who was still half tbm and him showing me the scars on his hand from cutting. It was the only way he knew how to deal with the stress from being a literal believer and a normal kid who masturbated. He is not alone by a long shot. While I never resorted to cutting, guilt over this stuff made me feel I was never worthy enough to become the person I was supposed to become or rather become my best self. Imagine living your life feeling handicapped like this as a kid……. I think Glenn arguing over “10” percent regarding this issue says more about him than the actual problem. I mean good grief all you have to do is look around a little at the human detritus the Church leaves in its wake.

  6. Erica   On   October 17, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    Okay okay okay okay. I’m just now catching up to this episode and only at the introduction but had to stop and actually google hell houses to see if this shit is legit. I’ve never even heard of such a thing.
    What the everliving fuck? I’m 30something years old and had no clue this even existed. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

      • Erica   On   October 18, 2014 at 12:08 am

        You know what’s crazy terrifying, Bob? That people might bring their kids to these things assuming (like a right-thinking person) that they’re your regular haunted house put on by NORMAL churches, like they do every year like NORMAL people.
        Sweet fuck, the very idea of that makes me want to drink even more vodka than I already have. I mean, Jesus Christ. Holy shit I’m upset.

      • Randy_Snyder   On   October 18, 2014 at 7:24 am

        Have you seen the documentary Jesus Camp? Talk about child abuse that makes a 20 min hell house seem tame. But if you listen to the Mormon Expression episode called Hell Houses, you’ll hear Glenn’s experience of going through one where a young kid was forced to go through, cried and wanted to leave, and his parents forced him to finish with them.

      • Erica   On   October 18, 2014 at 1:43 pm

        I sure haven’t, Randy. I keep seeing it recommended on my Netflix and I’ve heard about it for years, but I have no desire to actually watch anything like that.
        I heard you guys discussing the ME hell house episode in a previous IOT, but I thought you guys meant the Richard Matheson novel. I thought there was an episode of Mormon Experiences where Glenn talks about reading Hell House for the first time as a teenager and holy shit that book sucks.

  7. Abe   On   October 18, 2014 at 8:11 pm

    Does Mormon doctrine allow for haunting? My wife says yes. I say no. I say host haunts have to be the spirits of people who were once alive on earth and from what I understand anyone who wasn’t baptized Mormon goes to Spirit Prison. Do spirits in Spirit Prison have the freedom to haunt? Would member spirits be wicked enough to torment the living? Have you guys heard anything about this? I’m not counting Satan and his followers as ghosts because they never had a body; they’re just evil tempter demons as far as I’m concerned.

  8. gadams   On   November 3, 2014 at 2:11 am

    Hell-houses made me think of the ‘hold to the rod’ (ie Lehi’s dream) events we did a few times on my mission and I wonder if that was a local thing (Portugal) or something common in other areas.
    Basically, you blindfold participants and have them “hold to the rod” (a rope strung around a bunch of obstacles) while being enticed by angels and devils to either keep holding on or let go and go to the large and spacious building. At the end, everyone ends up in the chapel which has been decorated to be sort of like a temple celestial room. We usually had a choir all in white with special music at the end as well.
    While not as hellfire and damnation as a hell-house, the goals I think were similar in validating the commitment of the actives and hopefully pushing some of the less actives forward with the carrot of VIP heaven.

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